Given that the vast majority of miners aren't actually players the only loss will be a small amount of revenue. I'm sure CCP is willing to take a small hit to their subscription income if it means a reduction in bots. And even those miners that are real humans don't actually play Eve while mining anyway. I'm not going to shed a tear over their loss.

Eve will not only survive, but culling the folks that go out of their way to find ways to run Eve while not actually tabbed into the game; will cause the game to flourish more than it already is. Greater conflict will bring greater interest.

And in relation to that. I will play it however I like. If I want to blow up mining barges I have as much right to do so as you do to play the game however you want. If you don't like it... stop me.

I do report bots to GMs. I have filed a botting petition for every single miner I have ever blown up with the exception of those that try to flee the moment my catalyst hits the belt. Those folks are actually at their keyboards.

To date I have not managed to gank a single mining battleship or cruiser. If you are having difficulties in having your barge blown up, perhaps you should try one of those. Any T1 Battleship capable of fitting seven or more miners pulls in nearly the same yield as a Covetor. Ospreys and Scythes are nearly free while still sucking down ridiculous quantities of ore. It really isn't my fault that you're taking no measure to protect yourself. Mindless whining, contrary to what you might think, doesn't actually protect your barge.

And look at those two posts above mine that have all sorts of great ideas in them as well. But don't let those tips get in the way of your bitching.

Why is the sandbox concept so hard for everyone to get here?

We can play the game however we like. If that means we want to stomp over to your corner of the sandbox and **** in it, we can do that. It's up to you to stop us if you don't like it. You're just as free to **** in our corner as well. The Sandbox concept does not stipulate anywhere that we are obligated to allow you to do whatever you want.

If you want to mine AFK, find a way to make it work, but we are not in any way obligated to just let you do it if we don't want to.

If only there were so way for new players to join more experienced players and benefit from their experience and resources. Some sort of group that could cooperate with each other to accomplish goals that might normally be out of their reach...

I have no problem with miners. I mine.

You just don't like that you can't mine afk in empire and that new players get swept up in it. So form a corp that accepts both vets and newbies and teaches them the game while protecting them. You know, like goonswarm does. Hell, we even give out free ships and isk just to get them up to speed that much faster. I was ratting anomalies just last night with two newbies in their cute little Noctis' hoovering up the dozens of wrecks left behind.

Work together with new players, help them, protect them. This is so easy to do in a corporation. Don't mine in hisec, just get a low or nullsec corp and mine there. With decent intel and protection, its a lot safer, and you get high end ore.

Just, do SOMETHING to try and fix the problem you're having. Don't whine to CCP for meta-game assistance, do what we do and actually play the game.

Not a single thing you stated here is actually true. My own alliance is living proof of this if you're familiar with how we operate, "Hello newbie, welcome to your first day in Eve. Pod yourself to 0.0 and never look back!"

"Welcome to Joringer Inc. Here's your complimentary Osprey for joining our growing community of miners. Be sure to fit the Shield Extender you've been provided with. If you do not have the skill needed to use a Shield Extender please take one from the corporate hanger. Be sure to insure your complimentary Osprey in the event that the evil Goonswarm attempt to blow it up. Our communal mining operations are every Saturday and Sunday evening at 20:00 Eve Time!"

No way, you're teaching them to TANK?

What about the Maximizing Yield 101 classes?

You don't tank a mining barge. You tank yourself. Pay attention to the game, not whatever you're doing while tabbed out between miner cycles.

Just keep moving those goal posts! If you move them far enough you might actually come out of this ahead.

Given that you continually flip flop on whatever it is that we're arguing anytime I start to dismantle one of your talking points I've pretty much just assumed you're a troll and everything for the last few pages has been sport on my part. Now change the subject again I grow tired of this game.

Yup. If you think those new players need help, start a corp to help them. There are countless vets in hisec that would help.

Don't think it can be done in hisec? Do it in lowsec then. Almost the entire game world hates us, certainly you can find support.

Short story.

Being busy with RL, I hardly played eve during the last few months.


What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand.

Awesome.

I've never ganked anyone, and I don't plan to. Just not interested, but I don't feel bad for anyone who gets ganked, be it a lazy afk miner or someone meticulously watching the screen and aligned to warp out fitting a decent tank. Getting blown up happens, this is Eve.

Whatever the reason GW is blowing up Hulks is irrelevant. Hell, if I had my way, Hulkageddon would cover all miners everywhere until goons were the only ones able to mine at all. The only thing that matters to the miners out there is that we are doing it, and they need to find a way to deal with that. Whining to CCP is one way to go, but it really is a lot more fun to just play the game instead of begging for divine intervention while doing nothing differently.

Eve is a rough game, and the strong survive. Sorry, but in the Eve world, might makes right. If miners want to mine safely, its time to make a corp in low or nullsec for them, and to put together defense fleets and intel channels. And rest assured, goons will **** with all that too.

Of course, pubbie corps and alliances are so often so unstable and corrupt, this might well be impossible, but that's really your problem, not ours. You guys have really got to learn to stop ******* each other over so much and actually learn to work together.

But seriously, stop whining for CCP to play the game for you. They've made it pretty clear they aren't going to stop us. We are playing the game within the rules, at least by their judgement, so why don't you all do so as well? For all the hate we get, we're among the few really playing the game anymore.

Why would they stop? The threads routinely get 10-20 pages, if not far longer. They are clearly noticed and we garner a lot of attention for an event that means a lot of profit for the corp.

Also, I don't really have much say over what my corpmates do. I can assure you that we don't post with alts nearly as much as everyone claims we do.

As for the last line, sorry, but just look at the sheer number of people begging CCP to alter the game itself so they don't have to change their playstyle. The way they deal with challenges in the game is by begging the devs to overcome the challenges for them.